Episode 35: "INTELLOCORE" feat. caro♡ *PREVIEW — FULL EP ON PATREON*

You are listening to the free version of CloudForm. For the full episode, sub to Pat Rayon. Did you jerk and juice like that? Discourse hairs. Farts? No, farts are funny. Experimental spoon. Do you like the idea of Elon laying pipe to your music? He's so excited. The billabong pencil kiss. Is Pat like pretending to have an erection by like putting a carrot in your trousers? You have beef with days. I've often fantasized about going mouth-to-mouth with A.G. Coke, Bayo, some kind of a sweet beverage. Enchanté. Carrot drunk some jerk chicken. Size so... Cringe. i feel like your music is not that hyperpop no i don't think so i think i have some size some sides of it yes maybe but then yeah i don't know what is hyperpop i think like at first also when i heard hyperpop for me it was more like the american side of it like 100 gex and stuff like that you know i think like to me in my head they were making hyperpop but then the stuff in europe i was like i don't know you know i don't know it's like the the pop element isn't hyper it's it's the like emotion element yeah right yeah yeah i think but obviously like hyper emotional pop it's just like less catchy but yeah but what i wanted to say when you brought the callaghan and witch thing with the kieran press reynolds review is that like obviously like was speaking to those guys made me realize that like they've ended up at this kind of like i guess you could call it hyper pop or whatever um but like like the og pc music stuff it came from a very like organic yeah elaborate collaborative thing which i don't think you get now i think it's more just like people aping trends you know which is like very different to like

me in real life be like oh i like this about this i like this but you know yeah yeah definitely i mean that's also how like a kind of like pseudo genre becomes more entrenched yeah yeah like kids or whatever who who whose first exposure to like a style of music is just this like pre-digested assemblage of artists who don't necessarily have that much in common yeah who come from like totally different backgrounds but who were just like lumped in together and if you're like 14 years old you've like pirated ableton for the first time and whatever your algorithm is feeding you all these these artists who are like you know reduced to hyperpop and then you start identifying in terms of that term much more like actually you know like perpetuates itself yeah this is what i mean like but that's why it makes sense that like jeff witcher can do fucking like 10 years touring to nobody doing like noise like contact mic flating and then wind up doing like ultra refined pop songwriting yeah you know what i mean like it's coming to the same like conceptual conclusion as pc music shit yeah um i like the stuff that like emerges from kids they're like kieran press reynolds type shit now doesn't have that i don't know that like organic it's not it's not built in the same way you know it's like yeah yeah yeah yeah but i mean i feel like we say it all the time and it's so obvious but it's just like they're just so many like empty signatures now whatever yeah i mean those guys are also like a little bit older so yeah they just they just came up in like a totally different like musical contest i just feel like it's an it's i don't know it has it's always like frustrating i think like as an artist when you get like a bunch of like labels kind of like attached to you and there's i don't know is there like a temptation ever to kind of just be like okay whatever uh to like resign yourself to the labels that you're attached to do you feel like frustrated by that do you ever want to like push back aggressively like no i'm not this thing i'm only my own thing I always think that. I always thought I was my own thing. And even now, that's why I don't go on Reddit. I don't really care about being called hyperpop. It's not about me.

I just want to make things and really I don't care. I really don't care about the reception. I care when people come and tell me, oh, your music helped me when I was breaking up with my girlfriend or something. I care when people tell me that, but generally I don't care about any sort of positive or negative. I don't even know how I feel about my music because I think it's irrelevant. I almost feel like the output is irrelevant for me. It's just about, like, making something. I like making stuff. And then, like, it's out. And whatever way it's out is good. Like, it was on PC music. It happened that way. And also, I'm so grateful because, like, AG really... Cook. AG cook. A.G. Kirk really, you know, invested time, resources and, you know, had a lot of interest in what I was doing. And it really pushed me to be more confident to like, you know, have this person vouch for me and then take interest in what I was doing. And he was the first person I would send stuff to, which is like a pretty, it's a great relationship to have with someone when you're an artist, to work with someone who's like more experienced and stuff. But at the end of the day, it was always. thinking well i at some point i need to be self-validating what i do and just say really not caring i really don't think it matters when it's out it's just like the concept of you know doing what you want to do and just you know yeah the rest doesn't matter like i think how do you if you kind of have that outcome independence how do you relate to performing live yeah because you've then got to live with those songs for such a long time afterwards That's a good question. I think I always have fun doing live sets and also it's always an opportunity to change stuff and be creative about it and I want to be even more creative with it and change. Because sometimes I think it's hard to perform electronic music when it's something you make on your computer and it's very computer-based and then you have to translate it to the stage and make it interesting. Because I think even as a performer, it's not always...

that interesting to just like play the backing track and be singing on top no 100% so i think like it's nice to adapt tracks and things but um but yeah i try like i want to try to bring more instrument playing like i like having a keyboard and you know but yeah it's fun it's it's an opportunity to be creative but i think i have no like I think I have no relationship to the music I make in terms of like judging it or being, oh, do I like it? Have I ever spent too much time with it? I don't know. But you never have the moment, so you don't have moments where you're like, this sucks. No, I don't think so because I'm like, I did it. It's fucking, it's amazing that you did it. Like in a sense that it takes courage and I appreciate that. And I just like see the intention. it's almost like i'm not judging the output i don't care i know the intention and i respect it so you're not uh you don't have any issues with being like a perfectionist i'm not a perfectionist at all you're like it's good to go print yeah next thing yeah exactly i'm like i want to i want to move on to the next chapter i think this is it like the song and you know if a song has reached a point where there's nothing that like you know blatantly you know upsets me i'm like this is done like stop yeah perfectionism is the worst i had yeah it's i can't abide it in people i think it's like the most self-indulgent thing it's very vain that's what i mean it's very vain perfection doesn't exist like if that's why you're aiming out like you're not going in with the right mindset i think the right mindset is having fun if you're having fun and it's like listenable it's done you know i think yeah definitely that's punk that's hella punk i mean there's like a there's like a healthy middle ground to be found there because there's also there's like the flip side that is like the kinds of artists who are just like churning out like detritus yeah just detritus just things that kind of like take a certain structural box or whatever that has like the contours of like a functional song

I mean, this is probably, like, less relevant to kind of, like, the culture, the microculture that we all collectively, like, operate in. But those people also exist. But yeah, there's, like, a healthy middle ground to be found there. People do get a little bit. There's, like, a certain breed of, like, person who gets super hung up about just, like, agonizing. I think even with Planet, like, that's why I was happy also to have my solo project because I think the guys were more, like, perfectionists in terms of, like... how things sounded and like they would spend a lot of time choosing a snare sound for example um guys am i right the snare the snare is important but it's just like i remember often being frustrated because i i like when things go fast and just like yeah but if the intention hey move fast and break things that's that's the tech basically if the energy is here the most important is the energy and i think like sometimes when you try to you know perfect something you're just like kidding it you're kidding it it's not fun anymore yeah you can remove that like initial energy if you yeah i think often that's what happens yeah you're like oh fuck like yeah it doesn't it just like doesn't take you away like it did before i met your bandmate uh i think it's alex alex is so lovely yeah he was so he was really cool he was just like a he was had a shared studio with some like friends of mine in brussels and i like this is like was it dennis Dennis, yeah, a.k.a. Duda, shout out. Oh, hell yeah. I was there like maybe two years ago. That was actually the first time that I met Dennis. And we wound up at the studio. And just all of a sudden, I was just like, Munix was there. Camille Keller was there. And Alex was there. And Dennis was there, obviously. And Alex was just like at the booth. And he was working on this like, it sounded like this incredibly like hyper-calibrated sort of like French like filter house. yeah he's releasing i think he's reusing that soon but i think it was like three songs or something this is like two years ago so he's just been like he's just been like sculpting that i don't well there's a difference between like focus and like annoying perfectionism though you know especially if it's like well this this sounds like such an homage to a very specific thing yeah

you know i mean it sounds but i mean i mean if you're saying the guy's an annoying dickhead sure yeah so this is actually what i was leaning to i wish i'm the worst alex alex has introduced me to so much good music that i think like people like this have a special place in my heart um he's like he's a proper music fan and he's a good musician Dude, he's definitely heard music. Yeah, right? Sorry, I just kind of want to ramble a bit. Dude, ramble. The kind of perfectionism that really annoys me is when, like, you kind of get it. That was freaking epic. My bad. Someone has weed. Like, seriously, it smells like weed. Oh, that's the Corona. It's the Corona. Corona smells like weed. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Smell the Corona. Oh, my God. Hit that nostril style one down there. It's the Corona. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's confusing me. Maybe even bong also. Distracting me. The bong has never been used as far as I'm aware. I mean, to be fair, you haven't got the pipe bit for it. Used in what way, brother? I know you're using that in one way or another, brother. In like a non-trippy type of way. Yeah. Yeah, let's hear this crazy ramble, man. Yeah. Well, I just feel like the perfectionism that you get now is just like these people who are like when I've like edited music videos and stuff like that. people who are like extremely preoccupied with their kind of like middle of the road like choreography and those kind of intentions and like everything needs to like match up to this like mood board thing and it's like there's no like you said there's no freedom for any like energy to come out you know it's like especially like i have the same thing with visuals i love like working with people i truly respect and i love trusting them and just being like i like what you do exactly you're just like if you're happy with it i'm happy with it it's good like i'm not coming in with like a thousand ideas that i want it like that and here's my feedback in love of 56 points exactly yeah yeah like no if you like someone and it's just it works it's it's just also easier to work with people that way when they really truly feel respected and trusted

yeah i think you know being a perfectionist is just like it's not the right mindset ever i think i think it's good to have like you know standards for yourself and try to do truly do your best but also yeah the point is not for something to be able to make something at a standard requires skill Of course, but you must get it with engineers. That's my point. You hone your skills so you can make something good quickly. You don't agonize over something not sounding right because you've done what you're doing. Also, most of the time I feel like I don't know what I'm doing and I like it. If it works, it works. I don't want to overanalyze and be like, oh yeah, I was trying to do this. Happy accidents. The last thing you want is an instruction manual. from someone on how they how they did the thing yeah exactly a lot of dance music really suffers with that yeah yeah yeah so it depends what you're looking for in music but i think when i make music i'm looking for like singularity something just a you know you want a message right or like a signal Yeah. And also like yourself, like what kind of like, well, ideas can I make work? I think singularity is an important way to put it. It really is. And I think if you're too, if you have too much of an analytic mind and you're trying to understand how people do things and you're trying to reproduce exactly the same techniques or whatever, it just gets really boring. Yeah. You lose your individuality. It's the source, man. Exactly. Yeah. It genuinely is. There is no science to the source. It's just the source. It just becomes very obvious that these people don't trust their intuition. Yeah, intuition is so important. If you can't trust that, then what's the point of any of it? Exactly. That's the most important. If it's of an intellectual, like even me, I think a lot of people really like intellectual music. and there's some stuff i relate to like it like it satisfies my brain what's uh what's intellectual music i'm not gonna say names oh what okay fx 20 is like leave him out of here because he's an actual like he has a melodic like sensitivity that you can tell feelings music he yeah he has feelings rob's a famous apex hater yeah

Bro, I was revisiting Apex, like, this weekend, and that's the first thing that came to mind. And I was, like, marveling to myself about you not being, like... I'm just fairly indifferent about him. Yeah. Which is almost, like, more... It's crazy. It's just crazy. Indifferent, yeah. That's... Wow. It just doesn't... I'm not saying he's bad. Obviously, he's good. That's clear. I can't take that away from him. But it just doesn't do that much to me. There's so much variety to it. Yeah? So there's nothing that ever resonates with you. even when he does like sort of ambient stuff well like selected works yeah no yeah actually that's true do you prefer like glitchy idma effects i think i like okay i like window liquor yeah that's cool i like window liquor slowed down i liked that a lot when i was a kid yeah you know you remember that no like the youtube video where someone it was kind of i feel like it sounds like it was kind of pre-slowed and reverb yeah yeah yeah pre-slowed and reverb there was this famous youtube video where someone played window liquor on 33 on like the vinyl yeah and it just sounds fucking incredible it's like it's so creamy i can imagine those like vocal samples yeah exactly you've got a it's also like the best music video of all time yeah yeah it's cracking yeah we are also window lickers as well yeah and yeah we also physically like Is that like an ableist term? Definitely. Oh. Yeah. I thought it was like a window cleaner. No, no. It's like a... Apex Twin's fine. Yeah, okay. It's just fine. I think a lot of that like classic IDM, the electronic stuff you're really supposed to like. Or tech up. I'm not wild about it. It's normal sometimes. It has a couple bangers, but yeah. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm with you. I'm not like a big... or techista here's his moments that shit that shit feels like music made by like an autistic robot or something or test tecker i feel like i feel like half the appeal is that you like it's better if you stick it on for ages you know what i mean but like people are really into or tech because if you like listen if you like go about your day like with or tech in the background you're like yeah this rules

but if you're like i don't know like gonna sit down let me listen to one orteca song it's like that's like a horrible experience that's kind of the way i've been doing it though yeah with like the three orteca songs that i think are good yeah right so you're saying orteca is good if you're not really listening to it no no it's it's like i don't know i feel like it's very i mean i'm i'm not them so i'm not gonna speak for them but i feel like part of the intention it's not like uh like the intensity of listening it's like part of the part of the thing i think in terms of popular electronic music i think i just prefer like daft punk and stuff like that i think that just jumps out on me yeah of course yeah yeah that's the only reason i can ever say oh i'm proud to be french is daft punk nice what about uh that uh justice phoenix phoenix i love phoenix second french band yeah basically the teenagers the phoenix i've never really listened to you never listened to the teenagers i fucked my american cunt really yeah that's what i do i played on the boat there we go it's like it's like it's like on trend well two years like a year ago indie sleeves like revival that was crazy i just assumed they would have been like i don't know that's crazy oh wow i probably i probably heard some of their tracks that song is incredible that song in particular is like michelle polareff uh michelle polareff yeah he's such a good musician yeah he's such a good pianist yeah he's so intense He's a proper artist. I think he was, like, homeless in the U.S. for, like, years. That's artistic. That's artistic, for sure. He's artistic, yeah. Isn't it? He's a great... Yeah, I think he seems like a good person also. That's not artistic. I bet. No, come on. Why? You're going to be vapid and self-involved, like J-Lo. No. Debussy? Debussy. Debussy. Yeah, you didn't say it very well. Debussy? Debussy. Come on. Come on, man. We're better than that. Claude Debussy. at sati he was french yes true there's a lot you guys get it in napoleon like lots of famous yeah oh do you know who we haven't talked about macron oh yeah who else

What's that dude that died? He has like that one hypersexual, like 60s pop song, whatever. Serge Gainsbourg. Yes. Ah, Serge, yes. I feel like the dad wants to be him. He has a very... They'll never have his swag. He has a lot of good songs. He has, I love his track, The Initials Baby, about Brigitte Bardot. Give us a little rendition. Also, no. He also has a song with Isabella Jenny. I love this French actress. What is it called? Wait, who's Brigitte Bardot? Is that Macron's wife? You don't know Brigitte Bardot? No, I recognize the name. Nothing to do with Brigitte Macron, I'm sorry. She's like the biggest sex symbol of the, like, I don't know. I've never had sex. That explains, that explains. You don't know Brigitte Bardot? I wouldn't know. No, but you've done symbolic stuff. You know her face. You would definitely know. Yeah. You have to know her face. What? Symbolic sex style. Is that like pretending to have an erection by like putting a carrot in your trousers? I mean, that's a lady. She's gorgeous. What the heck? She's looking symbolically sexy for sure. Sex symbols for me are like Pat Butcher. What? Pat Butcher? Do you know why she's tenders? No, no. I know of it. You know of it? Yes. But I've never watched it. As someone who's never had sex, I'll show you what I think sex looks like. How you doing? Great song. Okay. So one day I hope to. You what? I hope to. For the full episode sent to Pat Ryan. Fake niggas. They do it all for the clout. Always running their mouth. But they've never been about. I splashed niggas. In and out. In and out. Clout is killing our people. They do it for UKL. Clout is killing our people. They do it for UDM. Clout is killing our people. They move like the groupies, them. Sending shots are snapped, but in real life don't use this gang.

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